I've found some links to other forums where they discuss these guys, and it seems like they're actually a grumpy minority. Which makes me sad because I only found out about them the first time around because one of my readers posts there and participates in this wankery.
Though she seems to be one of the smarter ones... in a thread where it was posited that archers on horseback were unbeatable, she's the one who brought up terrain.
That really didn't seem to get anywhere, though, because any time it's mentioned that Tactic X doesn't work so well in Situation Y, someone remembers the last time situational advantages came up and says something like, "But wait! According to that other conversation, every D&D game must take place in a room with 8' ceilings! How can now say that we have battles taking place outdoors in a place with varied terrain when we're supposed to have them in rooms with 8' ceilings?"
It's like the whole forum is full of Illithid Diet Meals who don't understand that the reason no one tactic is a gamebreaker is because you don't fight the same battle over and over again.
Though I've also seen the same people insisting that the problem with 4E is that you do fight the same battle over and over again. Once again, I suspect that a DM could fix that with no problem just by... I don't know... running different battles, but the stock phrase is that if it takes a DM to make it work then the system is broken.
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Though she seems to be one of the smarter ones... in a thread where it was posited that archers on horseback were unbeatable, she's the one who brought up terrain.
That really didn't seem to get anywhere, though, because any time it's mentioned that Tactic X doesn't work so well in Situation Y, someone remembers the last time situational advantages came up and says something like, "But wait! According to that other conversation, every D&D game must take place in a room with 8' ceilings! How can now say that we have battles taking place outdoors in a place with varied terrain when we're supposed to have them in rooms with 8' ceilings?"
It's like the whole forum is full of Illithid Diet Meals who don't understand that the reason no one tactic is a gamebreaker is because you don't fight the same battle over and over again.
Though I've also seen the same people insisting that the problem with 4E is that you do fight the same battle over and over again. Once again, I suspect that a DM could fix that with no problem just by... I don't know... running different battles, but the stock phrase is that if it takes a DM to make it work then the system is broken.