I'm not going to argue with you further beyond this.
You are intentionally taking what I said and claiming something else to defend your point.
You claim I'm misusing statistics without any evidence besides misconstruing what I said as something other than what it is.
1) That statement was about India and China, primarily, and non-US products in general. HP is a global conglomerate. Part of why they are investigating this? So they can sell to India, China, and other places where white people are not the majority. It was also refuting your claim on the basis of a literal interpretation of what you wrote. It has nothing to do with anything else. Which, in context, it is valid.
2) You are missing the point of me pointing out numbers. Instead of attacking my point, you attack my choice of numbers. Which is further proof you are simply misconstruing it. The purpose of the numbers is to show that it is a coincidence brought about by the percentages of people in a population. It doesn't matter if it is 1% instead of 12.4% or 80%. Simply because an outcome 'favours white people', on the basis of probability alone, is not systemic racism. Rolling a dice and coming up with a result other than X%, is not racism. Neither is a poor QA process.
3) You are claiming major consumer electronics products are not are not tested and made in India and China. That shows gross ignorance of the facts.
Where do you think ASUS is based and operates? Taiwan, China, Mexico, and the Czech Republic. Where is their production? Taiwan. They produce a ton of computer products. Guess who tests them? I doubt there is enough Caucasians living in those countries to fill out ASUS's QA process, and similar companies. Let alone everything else. The only difference between them and HP is a better QA process and the location of their operations.
4) 'They couldn't afford to not do so' China and India, combined, would be the third largest economy in the world. They have entire companies which service only domestic markets.
5) Your angry? So what. It is not relevant. Your claims of a 'kneejerk' dismissal of any charge of racism is also unfounded. But rather an ad hominem attack made without any evidence beside the fact I don't agree with your example of systemic racism. If you really feel such generalised ad hominem attacks are valid, without any real evidence, that is your prerogative. However, it only weakens your argument.
6) The problem with the main point of your post is, your example does not support it. It looks more like an excuse to call 'systemic racism' to me in support of your pet theory. You even admit in your first post that they may not have set things up properly in the first place.
Show a pattern of behaviour. Write a well researched paper on the subject. Don't go and post crap like this and then make personal attacks on people who don't agree with your example.
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ninetydegrees
Re: No offense but...
on 2009-12-23 06:08 am (UTC)You are intentionally taking what I said and claiming something else to defend your point.
You claim I'm misusing statistics without any evidence besides misconstruing what I said as something other than what it is.
1) That statement was about India and China, primarily, and non-US products in general. HP is a global conglomerate. Part of why they are investigating this? So they can sell to India, China, and other places where white people are not the majority. It was also refuting your claim on the basis of a literal interpretation of what you wrote. It has nothing to do with anything else. Which, in context, it is valid.
2) You are missing the point of me pointing out numbers. Instead of attacking my point, you attack my choice of numbers. Which is further proof you are simply misconstruing it. The purpose of the numbers is to show that it is a coincidence brought about by the percentages of people in a population. It doesn't matter if it is 1% instead of 12.4% or 80%. Simply because an outcome 'favours white people', on the basis of probability alone, is not systemic racism. Rolling a dice and coming up with a result other than X%, is not racism. Neither is a poor QA process.
3) You are claiming major consumer electronics products are not are not tested and made in India and China. That shows gross ignorance of the facts.
Where do you think ASUS is based and operates? Taiwan, China, Mexico, and the Czech Republic. Where is their production? Taiwan. They produce a ton of computer products. Guess who tests them? I doubt there is enough Caucasians living in those countries to fill out ASUS's QA process, and similar companies. Let alone everything else. The only difference between them and HP is a better QA process and the location of their operations.
4) 'They couldn't afford to not do so' China and India, combined, would be the third largest economy in the world. They have entire companies which service only domestic markets.
5) Your angry? So what. It is not relevant. Your claims of a 'kneejerk' dismissal of any charge of racism is also unfounded. But rather an ad hominem attack made without any evidence beside the fact I don't agree with your example of systemic racism. If you really feel such generalised ad hominem attacks are valid, without any real evidence, that is your prerogative. However, it only weakens your argument.
6) The problem with the main point of your post is, your example does not support it. It looks more like an excuse to call 'systemic racism' to me in support of your pet theory. You even admit in your first post that they may not have set things up properly in the first place.
Show a pattern of behaviour. Write a well researched paper on the subject. Don't go and post crap like this and then make personal attacks on people who don't agree with your example.