1. I'm not even sure which part of the comment that's supposed to be addressing. You don't seem to be reading very carefully and your responses going back to the beginning haven't really meshed perfectly with anything I've said. I don't know what you're trying to refute here, bottom line.
2. I didn't attack your choice of numbers. I attacked the fallacy which states that if X% of the population are Star-Bellied Sneetches, then we can pick any situation and any walk of life and there will be an X% chance of any one individual there being a Star-Bellied Sneetch. You seem to think this is true. I'd love to live in a world where it is, but it isn't.
3. I made no such claim. I said "increasingly made and tested"... i.e., I predicted that it will happen more and more in the future. Do you think that's not true?
4. Again you selectively ignore things. I said they cannot afford to ignore the difference when they're selling here. Does anything in that statement suggest that their domestic economy could not support a consumer electronics market? No. It's talking about what would happen if a company that developed goods for the Chinese or Indian market chose to sell to North America without looking at the differences in the marketplace.
5. I'm angry that somebody feels the need to ignore what I'm actually saying, take issue with things that haven't been said and throw up a bunch of smokescreens rather than admit that the world he lives in is one in which bias is built in, most likely to his own advantage.
If it wasn't a kneejerk response, you'd be able to dismiss points I actually make instead of
And you know what? While I'm glad you say you're done arguing, part of me wants you to respond. Part of me wants to see you explain the blatant discrepancies between what I said and what you have said I said (in your points 3 and 4 in particular... golly, that is so blatant I wonder how you think your points can possibly stand when anybody who reads them can also read my comment and see how badly you've twisted things), but I've wasted enough time and enough energy and enough spoons filling out a bingo card with you.
You are done here. Thank you, ban_set.
6. It supports it perfectly. It's a racially biased outcome growing out of racially biased circumstances. In a dream world where "X% of the population being race Y = X% chance of any individual in any specific circumstance being race Y" held true, you would be perfectly right. We don't live in that world. This is an example of systemic racism. Not the most consequential, not the most shocking, not the most devastating, not the most harmful. One reason it's brilliant as an example is because it's so easily dismissed that it
And you know, what I said in point 5 goes back to the actual point of the post: admitting to racism. I can admit it. I'm white and I benefit from white privilege. I'm not perfect. I participate in racist systems. I have furthered racism through my actions and my inactions. We all have. Everybody who is part of society to a meaningful degree has, and we should all feel free to admit it and to examine our actions, past and present, because that's the only way things are going to get better. I'll be making a post at some point in the near future that will deal with this... my own failings... in more detail, because really that is the problem here: that the idea of racism is so strongly reviled that we can't deal with the small bits of racism, the subtle racism, the "background" racism, as it were, because everybody acts like talking about it is tantamount to calling everybody KKK members.
The KKK are a bunch of assholes, to be sure, but they're not half the problem that the everyday shit is. You call this everyday shit the reality of being a minority, and you know what? You're right. It is.
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ninetydegrees
Re: No offense but...
on 2009-12-23 06:55 am (UTC)2. I didn't attack your choice of numbers. I attacked the fallacy which states that if X% of the population are Star-Bellied Sneetches, then we can pick any situation and any walk of life and there will be an X% chance of any one individual there being a Star-Bellied Sneetch. You seem to think this is true. I'd love to live in a world where it is, but it isn't.
3. I made no such claim. I said "increasingly made and tested"... i.e., I predicted that it will happen more and more in the future. Do you think that's not true?
4. Again you selectively ignore things. I said they cannot afford to ignore the difference when they're selling here. Does anything in that statement suggest that their domestic economy could not support a consumer electronics market? No. It's talking about what would happen if a company that developed goods for the Chinese or Indian market chose to sell to North America without looking at the differences in the marketplace.
5. I'm angry that somebody feels the need to ignore what I'm actually saying, take issue with things that haven't been said and throw up a bunch of smokescreens rather than admit that the world he lives in is one in which bias is built in, most likely to his own advantage.
If it wasn't a kneejerk response, you'd be able to dismiss points I actually make instead of
And you know what? While I'm glad you say you're done arguing, part of me wants you to respond. Part of me wants to see you explain the blatant discrepancies between what I said and what you have said I said (in your points 3 and 4 in particular... golly, that is so blatant I wonder how you think your points can possibly stand when anybody who reads them can also read my comment and see how badly you've twisted things), but I've wasted enough time and enough energy and enough spoons filling out a bingo card with you.
You are done here. Thank you, ban_set.
6. It supports it perfectly. It's a racially biased outcome growing out of racially biased circumstances. In a dream world where "X% of the population being race Y = X% chance of any individual in any specific circumstance being race Y" held true, you would be perfectly right. We don't live in that world. This is an example of systemic racism. Not the most consequential, not the most shocking, not the most devastating, not the most harmful. One reason it's brilliant as an example is because it's so easily dismissed that it
And you know, what I said in point 5 goes back to the actual point of the post: admitting to racism. I can admit it. I'm white and I benefit from white privilege. I'm not perfect. I participate in racist systems. I have furthered racism through my actions and my inactions. We all have. Everybody who is part of society to a meaningful degree has, and we should all feel free to admit it and to examine our actions, past and present, because that's the only way things are going to get better. I'll be making a post at some point in the near future that will deal with this... my own failings... in more detail, because really that is the problem here: that the idea of racism is so strongly reviled that we can't deal with the small bits of racism, the subtle racism, the "background" racism, as it were, because everybody acts like talking about it is tantamount to calling everybody KKK members.
The KKK are a bunch of assholes, to be sure, but they're not half the problem that the everyday shit is. You call this everyday shit the reality of being a minority, and you know what? You're right. It is.
You know what else is "just reality"?
Every other problem that needs solving.